1 00:00:20,14 --> 00:00:25,80 I'm going to introduce those of us who went to the gathering and are going to share 2 00:00:26,35 --> 00:00:31,54 this evening to my right is Lorna. Mrs Jo. 3 00:00:33,73 --> 00:00:38,67 Susan. And I am. 4 00:00:40,93 --> 00:00:47,03 I'm I'm love. The thirteen grandmothers were created 5 00:00:47,77 --> 00:00:53,70 within the container of the Center for sacred studies Jyoti. 6 00:00:55,41 --> 00:01:01,11 Has made it her life's mission to study indigenous ways of life. 7 00:01:02,21 --> 00:01:08,45 And she created the Center for sacred studies. It is 8 00:01:08,46 --> 00:01:14,84 a nonprofit organization dedicated to sustaining indigenous ways of life 9 00:01:15,31 --> 00:01:22,05 through cross cultural spiritual practices ministry education and 10 00:01:22,06 --> 00:01:28,98 a commitment to peace and unity for all people their activities 11 00:01:28,99 --> 00:01:35,17 include prayer services ceremonies and of all righty of gatherings for worship 12 00:01:35,59 --> 00:01:41,65 according to various traditions the purpose of these offerings is to invite 13 00:01:41,66 --> 00:01:47,80 individuals families and communities to develop devotion and to strengthen their 14 00:01:47,81 --> 00:01:54,56 relationship to the divine. They have the Council of the 15 00:01:54,57 --> 00:01:59,13 thirteen grandmothers as one of their programs another program is their ministry 16 00:01:59,14 --> 00:02:05,71 training program it's a two year program. Towards getting 17 00:02:05,75 --> 00:02:12,23 a ministry available for you to use multiple indigenous ways of. Honoring 18 00:02:12,24 --> 00:02:18,39 spirit or practicing they have a stargate Mystery School which is 19 00:02:18,40 --> 00:02:24,88 a residential program that explores non ordinary states of consciousness and they 20 00:02:24,89 --> 00:02:29,77 have the May tree breathwork certification training I don't really know what that 21 00:02:29,78 --> 00:02:35,96 is but it's obviously some kind of breath work in the fall of two thousand and 22 00:02:35,97 --> 00:02:42,61 three the Center for sacred studies sent out an invitation to 23 00:02:42,62 --> 00:02:49,41 sixteen grandmothers of the sixteen thirteen answer they all had 24 00:02:50,09 --> 00:02:56,48 stories of how they were connected before they were connected. But grandmother read 25 00:02:56,49 --> 00:02:58,38 a bloomin Steen who's 26 00:02:58,39 --> 00:03:04,28 a seventy five year old you pick traditional healer was guided by her great 27 00:03:04,29 --> 00:03:10,53 grandmother in one nine hundred forty two when she was nine years old her great 28 00:03:10,54 --> 00:03:16,99 grandmother gave her thirteen stones and thirteen feathers eagle 29 00:03:17,18 --> 00:03:21,84 plumes and told her she would be part of 30 00:03:21,85 --> 00:03:28,54 a council of thirteen and to save these precious relics for that time 31 00:03:29,26 --> 00:03:34,39 at their first gathering of the thirteen grandmothers in two thousand and four the 32 00:03:34,40 --> 00:03:41,34 day after declaring themselves as an alliance grandmother Rida passed these 33 00:03:41,35 --> 00:03:46,98 thirteen stones and feathers to the members of the newly formed alliance. 34 00:03:48,19 --> 00:03:53,82 It is a form of government ruled by a circle rather than 35 00:03:53,83 --> 00:04:00,24 a hierarchy of command since the inception of the International Council of thirteen 36 00:04:00,25 --> 00:04:06,17 indigenous grandmothers numerous elders around the world who are gathering their 37 00:04:06,18 --> 00:04:12,81 own councils or renewing their ancient rituals. Of 38 00:04:12,82 --> 00:04:19,22 leadership have approached us center for sacred studies in this era we are 39 00:04:19,23 --> 00:04:20,16 witnessing 40 00:04:20,50 --> 00:04:26,94 a reemergence of the voice of the wise ones and the elders 41 00:04:27,60 --> 00:04:34,23 the gathering of councils the unfolding of our prayer shows us that many 42 00:04:34,24 --> 00:04:41,16 councils of elders are emerging in Europe Australia the Middle East to 43 00:04:41,17 --> 00:04:48,12 Karinda suffering world out of its misery the International Council of thirteen 44 00:04:48,13 --> 00:04:54,16 grandmothers is only one voice in this unity and I'm just going to read 45 00:04:54,18 --> 00:04:59,19 a little bit of their from their alliance statement in October thirteenth two 46 00:04:59,21 --> 00:05:05,57 thousand and four they all signed this alliance we are thirteen 47 00:05:05,58 --> 00:05:12,37 indigenous grandmothers coming here from the Amazon rain forest the Alaskan tundra 48 00:05:12,37 --> 00:05:18,75 of North America. The great forest of the American Northwest. 49 00:05:19,97 --> 00:05:26,54 The vast plains of North America. The high lands of Central America 50 00:05:27,01 --> 00:05:33,24 the Black Hills of South Dakota. The mountains of. 51 00:05:35,54 --> 00:05:41,100 The desert of the American Southwest. The mountains of Tibet and 52 00:05:42,01 --> 00:05:48,93 Nepal. And from the rain forest of Central Africa. We 53 00:05:48,94 --> 00:05:54,33 are affirming our relations with traditional medicine peoples and communities 54 00:05:54,34 --> 00:06:00,18 throughout the world we have been brought together by a common vision to form 55 00:06:00,22 --> 00:06:07,10 a new global alliance Ours is an alliance of prayer education 56 00:06:07,35 --> 00:06:13,76 and healing for our Mother Earth all her inhabitants all the children 57 00:06:14,16 --> 00:06:20,33 and for the next seven generations to come we come together to nurture 58 00:06:20,62 --> 00:06:26,24 educate and train our children we come together to uphold the practice of our 59 00:06:26,25 --> 00:06:33,04 ceremonies and affirm their right to use our plant medicines free of legal 60 00:06:33,05 --> 00:06:39,82 restriction we come together to protect the lands where our peoples live and upon 61 00:06:39,83 --> 00:06:45,71 which our cultures depend to safeguard the collective heritage of traditional 62 00:06:45,72 --> 00:06:52,60 medicines and to defend the Earth herself we believe that the teachings 63 00:06:52,61 --> 00:06:58,95 of our ancestors will light our way through an uncertain future 64 00:06:59,88 --> 00:07:06,64 we join with all those who honor their Creator and to all who work and pray for our 65 00:07:06,65 --> 00:07:12,45 children for world peace and for the healing of our Mother Earth 66 00:07:13,90 --> 00:07:20,15 so the intent of the thirteen grandmothers is healing and peace each 67 00:07:20,94 --> 00:07:25,48 six every six months approximately thirteen gather grandmothers gather in 68 00:07:25,49 --> 00:07:28,88 a new homeland they gathered in Montana 69 00:07:29,02 --> 00:07:34,93 a grandmother Margaret's land well was it was supposed to be our land but the fires 70 00:07:34,97 --> 00:07:40,76 made us move to the powwow grounds each grandmother who's holding the gathering 71 00:07:41,60 --> 00:07:42,07 has 72 00:07:42,08 --> 00:07:48,97 a special intent. Grandmother Margaret's special intent was healing 73 00:07:49,22 --> 00:07:55,39 and c'est royal trauma so that's what we walked into 74 00:07:55,80 --> 00:08:01,09 so a couple years ago two years approximately I went to 75 00:08:01,10 --> 00:08:06,17 a movie at the theater called the next seven generations and I didn't want to go I 76 00:08:06,18 --> 00:08:10,35 was dead set against it and everybody here was going and I had heard about the 77 00:08:10,36 --> 00:08:11,78 thirteen grandmothers for 78 00:08:11,79 --> 00:08:16,78 a very long time and I just was like nope and then everybody left and I was driving 79 00:08:16,79 --> 00:08:22,55 by the theater and I heard Buffalo Hart and I went for get this I'm going and so so 80 00:08:22,56 --> 00:08:28,82 I sat in the theater and I I cried because. Their purpose is so beautiful and I 81 00:08:28,83 --> 00:08:32,75 came back here and I said I want to be a grandmother and I'm going to bring 82 00:08:32,76 --> 00:08:38,11 a grandma here I want grandmother to come here so somehow everything fell together 83 00:08:38,19 --> 00:08:43,90 and grandmother Margaret came by in two thousand and twelve is where the next big 84 00:08:43,94 --> 00:08:48,62 gathering for them was going to be and she said there would be the thirteen tepees 85 00:08:48,63 --> 00:08:53,44 there and I said I'll be there and everybody else said we'll be there in two 86 00:08:53,45 --> 00:08:58,74 thousand and twelve came and there we were and that's our story of of how we got 87 00:08:58,75 --> 00:09:04,91 there and it was the journey's been pretty amazing we were all there we were all in 88 00:09:04,92 --> 00:09:11,07 the same place at the same time but we all experience this event and it was amazing 89 00:09:12,34 --> 00:09:16,13 we got there and we were setting up our camp we had 90 00:09:16,23 --> 00:09:22,00 a couple of tents to set up and thunderstorm came over it was 91 00:09:22,64 --> 00:09:26,31 lightning and thunder and the wind picked up really had 92 00:09:26,54 --> 00:09:31,22 a fairly large structure halfway constructed and Susan was saying you know on to 93 00:09:31,23 --> 00:09:34,93 one of the corners of it I was saying on the other and it was going up in the air 94 00:09:34,94 --> 00:09:40,06 and finally we got the fabric of it and everything settled down so it was an 95 00:09:40,10 --> 00:09:46,58 introduction. We got our camps set up in. A 96 00:09:46,59 --> 00:09:51,86 Cheyenne man named Danny Sue just kind of wandered over to our campsite introduced 97 00:09:51,87 --> 00:09:58,51 himself and welcomed us to the place that was so important to his 98 00:09:58,52 --> 00:10:04,30 people. He talked to us about his life and. 99 00:10:05,98 --> 00:10:12,81 What. He had done in his life and it was different this. He 100 00:10:12,82 --> 00:10:17,95 was part of that that ground and you could kind of feel it another highlight for me 101 00:10:18,22 --> 00:10:24,18 was. We actually had buffalo meat there was 102 00:10:24,90 --> 00:10:30,65 a kitchen and there was one meal that everyone partook in on one of the days and 103 00:10:30,69 --> 00:10:30,95 it's 104 00:10:30,96 --> 00:10:37,13 a tradition in the. Buffalo is very important somebody said he's got the buffalo in 105 00:10:37,14 --> 00:10:42,16 his pickup truck so I went out with three or four or five other people and there 106 00:10:42,17 --> 00:10:42,38 was 107 00:10:42,39 --> 00:10:49,25 a buffalo and said Yeah I got an hour ago and then he told about how it 108 00:10:49,31 --> 00:10:53,17 he'd been waiting for three days for an animal to separate itself from the herd 109 00:10:53,50 --> 00:10:58,01 because that's what they do when they offer themselves for this occasion and one 110 00:10:58,02 --> 00:10:59,81 did said one came out this morning it's 111 00:10:59,82 --> 00:11:05,97 a two year old bull and he said The hard part was getting in the pickup truck by 112 00:11:05,98 --> 00:11:11,91 myself I couldn't believe he did that anyway they prepared they prepared it and it 113 00:11:11,92 --> 00:11:17,22 was very good and it was special there were all kinds of people I could talk to 114 00:11:17,23 --> 00:11:19,97 about all kinds of things on 115 00:11:19,98 --> 00:11:25,87 a higher order but. I had conversations with giant men 116 00:11:27,06 --> 00:11:32,14 that were different from me the ones that came to this gathering were the ones that 117 00:11:32,45 --> 00:11:37,91 I believe hold very important for them their traditional values and their culture 118 00:11:37,92 --> 00:11:42,94 and the things that they want to read really really touch for themselves. And there 119 00:11:42,95 --> 00:11:44,10 was a call missing 120 00:11:44,11 --> 00:11:50,50 a confidence and just an emptiness almost And and the strength. I 121 00:11:51,44 --> 00:11:58,19 don't see it very often. Guys in our culture you know well we won't go 122 00:11:58,20 --> 00:12:05,12 there right now. But I sure related to this I and then to add to 123 00:12:05,13 --> 00:12:11,45 the buffalo story one of the things that I noticed is they had an area 124 00:12:12,11 --> 00:12:18,72 off to the side of the Circle where we all gathered every every day where they were 125 00:12:18,73 --> 00:12:25,62 teaching different. Different techniques of of making hand 126 00:12:25,63 --> 00:12:32,04 tools and things like that and at the. I don't know what direction it was but they 127 00:12:32,05 --> 00:12:38,90 had the buffaloes again the hide stretched so they did Yes 128 00:12:38,91 --> 00:12:43,25 So basically they kill he killed it for the meat but then they actually stretched 129 00:12:43,26 --> 00:12:49,28 the hide and grandmother yes it was curing throughout the whole thing and 130 00:12:49,29 --> 00:12:53,77 grandmother Margaret she scraped it and actually gave some to each one of the 131 00:12:53,78 --> 00:12:56,38 grandmothers to take back so it was a it was 132 00:12:56,39 --> 00:13:01,98 a part of the ceremony that was really beautiful Well I'll tell you it's so hard to 133 00:13:01,99 --> 00:13:06,81 put into words what it what it was like to be there with those women and people 134 00:13:06,82 --> 00:13:12,60 from all over the world that came for the same thing for everything we believe in 135 00:13:12,64 --> 00:13:19,23 peace and love and healing and harmony it was amazing to see these thirteen women 136 00:13:19,81 --> 00:13:25,28 eleven I think they're the two that were able to make it. But to go out there every 137 00:13:25,29 --> 00:13:31,88 day and. Each of them had three hours basically that they talked and they did with 138 00:13:31,89 --> 00:13:37,17 they do in their culture they did their medicine and it was amazing how these women 139 00:13:37,76 --> 00:13:43,41 at their age at their evolution they were able to do these these 140 00:13:43,83 --> 00:13:50,10 dances and ceremonies you know and just to talk in weather that was one hundred ten 141 00:13:50,11 --> 00:13:57,06 degrees really really really amazing. One thing that 142 00:13:57,20 --> 00:14:03,95 for me that was. It really stood out and I call it the Big Sky 143 00:14:03,96 --> 00:14:09,01 Montana it's always been called the Big Sky but it I would look up and I would see 144 00:14:09,25 --> 00:14:14,72 so many different pictures in this guy you know I saw bear upon 145 00:14:14,73 --> 00:14:16,98 a Native American and I saw 146 00:14:16,99 --> 00:14:23,85 a dolphin and I saw so many things and you could look up and see that and then 147 00:14:23,86 --> 00:14:27,14 you'd look down and three minutes later you'd look up and you would see the same 148 00:14:27,15 --> 00:14:33,01 thing is this all these things were coming together and it was really beautiful I 149 00:14:33,02 --> 00:14:37,16 was sitting on the bleachers and I was at the top of the bleachers and then kitty 150 00:14:37,17 --> 00:14:39,64 corner from me about twelve feet away there was 151 00:14:39,65 --> 00:14:46,55 a woman sitting there and I I noticed that my shadow was protecting her 152 00:14:46,56 --> 00:14:53,47 from the sun and it came to me how we're all connected by 153 00:14:53,48 --> 00:14:59,00 this thread that we may never know that I could help someone and they would never 154 00:14:59,01 --> 00:15:03,35 know it and I would never know when someone here would be helping me that but that 155 00:15:03,36 --> 00:15:10,15 we all do we all come together there was something that was said I 156 00:15:10,16 --> 00:15:14,70 think it was the last day of the closing ceremony and one of the chiefs I believe 157 00:15:14,86 --> 00:15:21,80 don't quote me got up and said. Oh my gosh what was it piece 158 00:15:21,81 --> 00:15:28,62 above piece below. And peace in the middle and that resonated so much with me. 159 00:15:29,82 --> 00:15:36,75 There's there's so many things I could talk about Joe when I got there 160 00:15:36,76 --> 00:15:43,63 a week early to volunteer so we had basically four days of being there 161 00:15:43,67 --> 00:15:49,68 volunteer in working setting up camp for everybody this gathering was to have been 162 00:15:49,69 --> 00:15:54,37 a grandmother Margaret's land in danger usually know for two years ahead of where 163 00:15:54,38 --> 00:15:58,75 each one is going to be so I believe for two years she had been preparing her land 164 00:15:58,76 --> 00:16:05,37 for this gathering there were six hundred registered people that's coming from not 165 00:16:05,38 --> 00:16:11,32 shy am land and I'd say there was at least four hundred at any one time Cheyanne 166 00:16:11,33 --> 00:16:14,81 there so she was preparing for 167 00:16:14,82 --> 00:16:21,76 a thousand people and then the fires came and they had to move two weeks before the 168 00:16:21,77 --> 00:16:28,08 gathering she had to find another spot and so luckily they have this wonderful 169 00:16:28,09 --> 00:16:33,06 Powell ground which I thought was very unique for us because we got to be and the 170 00:16:33,10 --> 00:16:38,95 energy of the powwow was now the week before the gathering started. 171 00:16:40,67 --> 00:16:43,61 A week and a half before the gathering started they had had 172 00:16:43,62 --> 00:16:49,01 a power well they had seven hundred in eighty six registered dancers 173 00:16:50,02 --> 00:16:52,71 huge and then we came in 174 00:16:52,75 --> 00:16:56,27 a week and three days after it was well actually we came in a week and 175 00:16:56,28 --> 00:17:02,94 a day after it was over so. So there's lots of energy there they have their 176 00:17:03,12 --> 00:17:09,98 Powell ground set up with shaded bleachers and six 177 00:17:10,02 --> 00:17:16,82 isn't it you think goodness is right six. Sweat lodges and the Cheyenne 178 00:17:16,83 --> 00:17:19,60 people gifted us with 179 00:17:20,57 --> 00:17:25,99 a sunset and the sunrise sweat for three days. 180 00:17:29,66 --> 00:17:33,81 There was the there were multiple they were small sweat lodges so there were like 181 00:17:33,82 --> 00:17:39,71 two or three sweat lodges going each evening each sunrise so it was it was 182 00:17:39,72 --> 00:17:46,52 a very powerful piece of land to be on. And then I worked in registration 183 00:17:46,59 --> 00:17:52,63 once people started coming in so I had the extraordinary gift of being able to 184 00:17:52,64 --> 00:17:55,48 greet people and I got to greet 185 00:17:55,52 --> 00:18:01,03 a lot of Cheyanne who would come in and they'd say what's going on here. 186 00:18:03,72 --> 00:18:06,51 And I would say it's 187 00:18:06,52 --> 00:18:11,78 a gathering of the thirteen indigenous grandmothers and thank you for hosting us 188 00:18:12,20 --> 00:18:15,91 and they'd look at me like What do you mean they didn't have it but it's their land 189 00:18:15,92 --> 00:18:20,08 I said thank you for gifting us your land to have this on grandmother Margaret 190 00:18:20,12 --> 00:18:20,68 invited 191 00:18:20,69 --> 00:18:25,63 a million and one people to come of course everybody she saw she didn't fight and 192 00:18:25,64 --> 00:18:31,04 she met this young man in I'm assuming California because that's where he's comes 193 00:18:31,05 --> 00:18:34,52 from he has the wolf connection which is 194 00:18:34,53 --> 00:18:40,14 a wolf rescue organization and she said come with your wolves he had ne'er and I 195 00:18:40,15 --> 00:18:46,95 had the gift whatever to actually be the first person to greet him and had 196 00:18:46,96 --> 00:18:49,42 a conversation with him and he chose 197 00:18:49,43 --> 00:18:53,70 a great spot to park with his Wolves he had never taken his wolves out of L.A. 198 00:18:55,18 --> 00:19:00,65 And and they had a great time they had an air conditioned R.V. 199 00:19:01,27 --> 00:19:08,19 That the air water and they yeah he takes them for four five mile hikes every day 200 00:19:08,23 --> 00:19:12,84 no matter what but this was in you know it was great they always tethered and they 201 00:19:12,85 --> 00:19:19,85 all had their own handler. There are five wolves thank you and one of the 202 00:19:19,86 --> 00:19:26,60 chiefs stood up during the talking in the powwow grounds and he talked about the 203 00:19:26,61 --> 00:19:32,46 Wolves but you prefaced it with the buffaloes he said We bought 204 00:19:32,50 --> 00:19:39,30 a herd of buffalo twenty five years ago we fenced them in and 205 00:19:39,31 --> 00:19:44,30 creator very clearly told us they're not to be fenced in because they broke right 206 00:19:44,31 --> 00:19:51,14 through the fences but they stayed on our land when the 207 00:19:51,14 --> 00:19:57,79 buffalo returned the elk returned and he said it has been many many 208 00:19:57,88 --> 00:20:03,68 hundred or years or more since we have had wolves here and now the wolves are here 209 00:20:05,58 --> 00:20:12,37 not in the wild but still there and so he is talking about the return of the 210 00:20:12,38 --> 00:20:19,30 old ways of the old life and he was talking about the walls in particular he said I 211 00:20:19,31 --> 00:20:25,58 went up my grandson my son and I went to see the wolves the wolves were on thirty 212 00:20:25,59 --> 00:20:30,00 foot leaves and they had a shade structure that they could sort of like 213 00:20:30,01 --> 00:20:35,03 a dead end that they could get into out of the sun and he went up in the the wall 214 00:20:35,04 --> 00:20:40,88 fit they went up to talk to whatever was in the shade and he had 215 00:20:40,89 --> 00:20:42,81 a he had tobacco any offered 216 00:20:42,82 --> 00:20:48,95 a prayer of ept you know with his tobacco and he put the tobacco on the ground and 217 00:20:48,96 --> 00:20:55,72 the wolf got up came over sniffed the tobacco and then looked at him 218 00:20:57,20 --> 00:21:04,17 and looked at him and looked at him and he said 219 00:21:04,63 --> 00:21:11,52 Wolf. Please pray for us we need your 220 00:21:11,53 --> 00:21:14,48 prayers we are 221 00:21:14,52 --> 00:21:20,89 a pitiful people each grandmother like Laura was saying would take two to three 222 00:21:20,90 --> 00:21:27,21 hours to do with her ceremony whatever it was that she chose to do for us the one I 223 00:21:27,22 --> 00:21:33,100 was most moved by was that the Nepalese grandmother Alma. 224 00:21:35,12 --> 00:21:37,38 Bomb Bowl be A.M.B.O. 225 00:21:38,01 --> 00:21:43,65 Who is a shaman and. Each grandmother had 226 00:21:43,66 --> 00:21:49,55 a companion who was always there to get them water to help them move whatever and 227 00:21:49,56 --> 00:21:50,35 her companion was 228 00:21:50,36 --> 00:21:53,33 a male Most of the other companions were female but her companion was 229 00:21:53,34 --> 00:22:00,03 a male she did not speak English and she started drumming so she started beating 230 00:22:00,04 --> 00:22:05,93 her drum and I heard that she was calling in all of the goddesses 231 00:22:06,97 --> 00:22:10,16 and all of the animals and it's 232 00:22:10,17 --> 00:22:13,99 a Nepalese so I don't know what she's saying but it she's calling them and calling 233 00:22:13,100 --> 00:22:18,20 them and chanting and chanting and she's just really getting herself into 234 00:22:18,21 --> 00:22:24,77 a trance and she starts making animal noises 235 00:22:24,81 --> 00:22:31,48 along with it and then she just falls over backwards and drops her drum her 236 00:22:31,49 --> 00:22:36,40 companion picks up the drum and starts drumming and starts yelling at her shouting 237 00:22:36,41 --> 00:22:40,38 at her or telling her to come to keep going or I don't know what he was telling her 238 00:22:40,42 --> 00:22:47,35 it was never really but it was it was fascinating and as she's 239 00:22:47,36 --> 00:22:53,70 doing this the Center for sacred studies know that when the grandmothers do their 240 00:22:53,71 --> 00:23:00,35 ceremonies people go places. And so the Center for sacred 241 00:23:00,36 --> 00:23:04,51 studies has a container for those people they 242 00:23:04,52 --> 00:23:11,33 a Joe was on this team the lame in us don't really aren't aren't ministers of the 243 00:23:11,34 --> 00:23:18,09 Center for sacred studies. Manned the audience and as 244 00:23:19,00 --> 00:23:23,66 station behind they would watch their section of the audience and when they saw 245 00:23:23,67 --> 00:23:29,99 someone doing odd things or whatever they just raise their hand and they would go 246 00:23:30,00 --> 00:23:34,75 behind that person and raise their hand and then pretty soon you would see people 247 00:23:34,76 --> 00:23:40,07 in white the people from Star Center for sacred studies would come and stand behind 248 00:23:40,08 --> 00:23:45,87 the person and they would make an assessment is this a spiritual thing or is it 249 00:23:45,88 --> 00:23:52,81 a physical thing and for each of the events that I saw it was all 250 00:23:52,82 --> 00:23:59,72 spiritual and they would just just tell their neighbors to give 251 00:23:59,73 --> 00:24:06,49 them space let it go and not not interrupt their process there is 252 00:24:06,50 --> 00:24:10,69 a woman across from me and I'm going to have to put this down who for the whole 253 00:24:10,70 --> 00:24:14,98 forty five minutes that this this Nepalese grandmother was doing her ceremony was 254 00:24:14,99 --> 00:24:21,92 doing this. Forty five 255 00:24:21,93 --> 00:24:28,81 minutes and. I can't do it for two minutes. So you know 256 00:24:28,82 --> 00:24:33,65 it's extraordinary energy that is running through the crowd from that one 257 00:24:33,66 --> 00:24:40,60 grandmother and mean it's incredible trust. And power of 258 00:24:40,61 --> 00:24:47,04 each grandmother to be able to carry us so that was 259 00:24:47,05 --> 00:24:53,38 a great example of what the Center for sacred studies does grandmother Margaret her 260 00:24:53,39 --> 00:24:57,58 intent was ancestral healing ancestral trauma she got 261 00:24:57,59 --> 00:25:03,93 a vision two years ago of recreating the ride home the right 262 00:25:03,94 --> 00:25:10,92 home. There was the Trail of Tears were all the shy in were herded down to 263 00:25:10,93 --> 00:25:17,76 Oklahoma to Chief said no we're not staying here and they gathered their people and 264 00:25:17,77 --> 00:25:24,72 they rode home being chased murdered massacred but they did some of them did make 265 00:25:24,73 --> 00:25:29,71 it home she wanted to recreate that ride as 266 00:25:29,72 --> 00:25:36,39 a thread of healing all the way so she went on Kickstarter. 267 00:25:37,50 --> 00:25:44,23 Raised enough money to provide provisions and you know 268 00:25:44,24 --> 00:25:51,23 trucks and trailers and vans to to get everybody 269 00:25:51,40 --> 00:25:57,81 through that ride she rescued nine mustangs that were going to be slaughtered 270 00:25:58,81 --> 00:26:05,61 She got twenty three people not all were in the whole ride but they 271 00:26:05,83 --> 00:26:12,24 come came and went as they could and they rode as much as they possibly could the 272 00:26:12,25 --> 00:26:17,69 trail back home they've made detours to massacre sites. 273 00:26:19,33 --> 00:26:22,72 To do extra Healy it was filmed she got 274 00:26:22,73 --> 00:26:29,53 a film crew is part of this Kickstarter money and filmed the whole trail home the 275 00:26:29,54 --> 00:26:31,39 ride home and it will be 276 00:26:31,40 --> 00:26:36,51 a movie I was wandering around one evening and there was grandmother Margaret 277 00:26:36,52 --> 00:26:42,92 gathered with the writers and we all three of us got to sit and listen to them tell 278 00:26:42,93 --> 00:26:49,79 their tales of the healing that happened for them. Not just not just 279 00:26:49,99 --> 00:26:50,77 Brian but.